Comments on: The XYZ of ABC? http://www.blogpi.net/the-xyz-of-abc Putting the blogosphere under a magnifying glass Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:56:48 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Asher http://www.blogpi.net/the-xyz-of-abc/comment-page-1#comment-142351 Asher Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:42:48 +0000 http://www.blogpi.net/the-xyz-of-abc#comment-142351 <p>To tell the truth the conservative websites are still more popular because there are more ideological conservatives than ideological liberals in the population. But ABC isn’t even playing the same game as ActBlue. And it is the only response.</p> To tell the truth the conservative websites are still more popular because there are more ideological conservatives than ideological liberals in the population. But ABC isn’t even playing the same game as ActBlue. And it is the only response.

]]> By: Rightroots, Big Red Tent and Slatecard: An Assessment at Blog P.I. http://www.blogpi.net/the-xyz-of-abc/comment-page-1#comment-113639 Rightroots, Big Red Tent and Slatecard: An Assessment at Blog P.I. Mon, 03 Dec 2007 05:26:09 +0000 http://www.blogpi.net/the-xyz-of-abc#comment-113639 <p>[...] Rightroots this: It is back. The website languished after the November ‘06 midterms, which I complained about in January, drawing strogn objections from some of those involved. I wasn’t sure that it [...]</p> [...] Rightroots this: It is back. The website languished after the November ‘06 midterms, which I complained about in January, drawing strogn objections from some of those involved. I wasn’t sure that it [...]

]]> By: Fundraising Awareness at Blog P.I. http://www.blogpi.net/the-xyz-of-abc/comment-page-1#comment-88809 Fundraising Awareness at Blog P.I. Fri, 17 Aug 2007 03:55:32 +0000 http://www.blogpi.net/the-xyz-of-abc#comment-88809 <p>[...] Sure, at one time it was supposed to be. But as this blog and other blogs have pointed out, it’s never had the kind of support such that it should actually be spoken of in the same sentence. Not to mention that several journalists, including Mosk’s colleague Chris Cillizza, have (apparently ignorantly) misrepresented what ActBlue means to different Democratic candidates. [...]</p> [...] Sure, at one time it was supposed to be. But as this blog and other blogs have pointed out, it’s never had the kind of support such that it should actually be spoken of in the same sentence. Not to mention that several journalists, including Mosk’s colleague Chris Cillizza, have (apparently ignorantly) misrepresented what ActBlue means to different Democratic candidates. [...]

]]> By: Blue in the Face at Blog P.I. http://www.blogpi.net/the-xyz-of-abc/comment-page-1#comment-40875 Blue in the Face at Blog P.I. Tue, 20 Mar 2007 02:10:12 +0000 http://www.blogpi.net/the-xyz-of-abc#comment-40875 <p>[...] I guess now is as good a time as any to revisit the subject of ABC PAC. Earlier this year I criticized the venture as insufficiently derivative of ActBlue, which understandably vexed some of those involved. [...]</p> [...] I guess now is as good a time as any to revisit the subject of ABC PAC. Earlier this year I criticized the venture as insufficiently derivative of ActBlue, which understandably vexed some of those involved. [...]

]]> By: Bluey Blog » Blog Archive » What ABC PAC Needs to Succeed: Money http://www.blogpi.net/the-xyz-of-abc/comment-page-1#comment-24535 Bluey Blog » Blog Archive » What ABC PAC Needs to Succeed: Money Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:14:37 +0000 http://www.blogpi.net/the-xyz-of-abc#comment-24535 <p>[...] At least that’s what I gather from Patrick Ruffini and Michael Turk, both of whom criticize Blog P.I.’s Bill Beutler for his recent analysis of conservative and liberal fundraising sites. [...]</p> [...] At least that’s what I gather from Patrick Ruffini and Michael Turk, both of whom criticize Blog P.I.’s Bill Beutler for his recent analysis of conservative and liberal fundraising sites. [...]

]]> By: Patrick Ruffini http://www.blogpi.net/the-xyz-of-abc/comment-page-1#comment-16024 Patrick Ruffini Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:53:24 +0000 http://www.blogpi.net/the-xyz-of-abc#comment-16024 <p>Anonymous, </p> <p>Re: "the left's superior netroots presence." </p> <p>It's funny I keep hearing this, because Daily Kos isn't even the largest community political site in terms of raw traffic. That would be Free Republic. Townhall is no slouch either, and they regularly best Kos in terms of monthly uniques in virtually any venue (Nielsen, Alexa, Compete, etc.) </p> <p>http://snapshot.compete.com/freerepublic.com dailykos.com townhall.com </p> <p>Why do the conservative community/opinion sites get less attention? Because they aren't new. Free Republic has been around since the late '90s, and the opposition to President Clinton that fueled their growth is quite analogous to the hostility to President Bush that fueled the left-blogosphere. Townhall has also been around for more than a decade, and though the majority of their site is columns/opinions more than blogging, they are larger in absolute terms. </p> <p>Fox News, conservative talk radio, and conservative websites are more popular because there are more ideological conservatives than ideological liberals in the population (this was true even in '06 -- check the exit polls). It's true that all of some of these larger venues have focused on opinion more than activism/fundraising, but it's not clear to me that isn't a wiser move strategically. Having a better new media infrastructure trumps an extra $3 or $4 million to Dem candidates. And efforts are underway to monetize and activate the larger conservative Web audience for conservative candidates.</p> Anonymous,

Re: “the left’s superior netroots presence.”

It’s funny I keep hearing this, because Daily Kos isn’t even the largest community political site in terms of raw traffic. That would be Free Republic. Townhall is no slouch either, and they regularly best Kos in terms of monthly uniques in virtually any venue (Nielsen, Alexa, Compete, etc.)

http://snapshot.compete.com/freerepublic.com dailykos.com townhall.com

Why do the conservative community/opinion sites get less attention? Because they aren’t new. Free Republic has been around since the late ’90s, and the opposition to President Clinton that fueled their growth is quite analogous to the hostility to President Bush that fueled the left-blogosphere. Townhall has also been around for more than a decade, and though the majority of their site is columns/opinions more than blogging, they are larger in absolute terms.

Fox News, conservative talk radio, and conservative websites are more popular because there are more ideological conservatives than ideological liberals in the population (this was true even in ‘06 — check the exit polls). It’s true that all of some of these larger venues have focused on opinion more than activism/fundraising, but it’s not clear to me that isn’t a wiser move strategically. Having a better new media infrastructure trumps an extra $3 or $4 million to Dem candidates. And efforts are underway to monetize and activate the larger conservative Web audience for conservative candidates.

]]> By: Link Roundup (1/13/2006) » The Bivings Report http://www.blogpi.net/the-xyz-of-abc/comment-page-1#comment-16023 Link Roundup (1/13/2006) » The Bivings Report Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:52:41 +0000 http://www.blogpi.net/the-xyz-of-abc#comment-16023 <p>[...] The XYZ of ABCBlog PI wonders if and when Republican online fundraising site ABC PAC will catch up with it’s Democrat counterpart, ActBlue.  Mike Turk and Patrick Ruffini also weigh in.  [...]</p> [...] The XYZ of ABCBlog PI wonders if and when Republican online fundraising site ABC PAC will catch up with it’s Democrat counterpart, ActBlue.  Mike Turk and Patrick Ruffini also weigh in.  [...]

]]> By: Mick Stockinger http://www.blogpi.net/the-xyz-of-abc/comment-page-1#comment-15945 Mick Stockinger Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:22:12 +0000 http://www.blogpi.net/the-xyz-of-abc#comment-15945 <p>There is a tendancy by marketing people to overweight the flash of their campaign materials and discount more nuts-and-bolts issues like product spec and sales channel.</p> <p>Neat web sites are easy, the other stuff is hard.</p> <p>The deficiency of rightroots is that it simply didn't have the same on-line "sales channel" to exploit that netroots does, and in my opinion, doesn't have the same motivations to act nation-wide that the left has.</p> <p>Netroots is a name that misleads--its the flower, not the root of a dynamic that has worked persistently to create a vast on-line activist community committed to returning--not just a candidate, but an entire party to power. Yet the real reason for its existence is to empower the new lefty internet mullahs.</p> <p>In the end, netroots had little or no effect on the election. Republicans had a significant financial advantage in the last election cycle, but couldn't overcome the 6 year repudiation. Most famously, netroots supported Ned Lamont to no avail.</p> <p>This isn't to say that neither netroots or rightroots aren't important to do--money is money, but rightroots lagging has less to do with site design than <a href="http://www.uncorrelated.com/2007/01/rightroots_v_netroots.html" rel="nofollow">systemic differences</a> in the Republican fund-raising apparatus.</p> There is a tendancy by marketing people to overweight the flash of their campaign materials and discount more nuts-and-bolts issues like product spec and sales channel.

Neat web sites are easy, the other stuff is hard.

The deficiency of rightroots is that it simply didn’t have the same on-line “sales channel” to exploit that netroots does, and in my opinion, doesn’t have the same motivations to act nation-wide that the left has.

Netroots is a name that misleads–its the flower, not the root of a dynamic that has worked persistently to create a vast on-line activist community committed to returning–not just a candidate, but an entire party to power. Yet the real reason for its existence is to empower the new lefty internet mullahs.

In the end, netroots had little or no effect on the election. Republicans had a significant financial advantage in the last election cycle, but couldn’t overcome the 6 year repudiation. Most famously, netroots supported Ned Lamont to no avail.

This isn’t to say that neither netroots or rightroots aren’t important to do–money is money, but rightroots lagging has less to do with site design than systemic differences in the Republican fund-raising apparatus.

]]> By: UNCoRRELATED http://www.blogpi.net/the-xyz-of-abc/comment-page-1#comment-15944 UNCoRRELATED Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:20:09 +0000 http://www.blogpi.net/the-xyz-of-abc#comment-15944 <p><strong>Rightroots v. Netroots...</strong></p> <p>William Beutler at Blog P.I. examines the relative performance of ActBlue, a left-wing on-line fundraising site, and ABC PAC or Rightroots, the Republican equivalent. My main point the first time around was that ActBlue was a Web 2.0 kind of site, like...</p> Rightroots v. Netroots…

William Beutler at Blog P.I. examines the relative performance of ActBlue, a left-wing on-line fundraising site, and ABC PAC or Rightroots, the Republican equivalent. My main point the first time around was that ActBlue was a Web 2.0 kind of site, like…

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.blogpi.net/the-xyz-of-abc/comment-page-1#comment-15337 Anonymous Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:08:07 +0000 http://www.blogpi.net/the-xyz-of-abc#comment-15337 <p>Hello: Part of the success of Democrats/progressives in online fund-raising and, just generally, in doing a better job of controlling the political dialogue on-line, may be attributable to the fact that conservatives still run talk radio, not to mention their own television network in FNC, and therefore have less need for a meaningful net roots presence. So sure, the GOP's efforts could have been better, but I suspect they don't have their A team spending much time thinking about the blogosphere right now, although there are signs that may be changing.</p> Hello:
Part of the success of Democrats/progressives in online fund-raising and, just generally, in doing a better job of controlling the political dialogue on-line, may be attributable to the fact that conservatives still run talk radio, not to mention their own television network in FNC, and therefore have less need for a meaningful net roots presence. So sure, the GOP’s efforts could have been better, but I suspect they don’t have their A team spending much time thinking about the blogosphere right now, although there are signs that may be changing.

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