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		<title>By: Wanna See Rielle Hunter&#8217;s Old Site? at Deceiver.com</title>
		<link>http://www.blogpi.net/john-edwards-among-the-wikipedians#comment-141021</link>
		<dc:creator>Wanna See Rielle Hunter&#8217;s Old Site? at Deceiver.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] at HuffPo, Radar Online, Bloggasm, Kaus (naturally), The Week, LAist, DBKP, Roger L. Simon, Anorak, BlogPI, Wired, Conan O&#8217;Brien, and Jay Leno. And if you want to stay on top of our babbling about it, [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] at HuffPo, Radar Online, Bloggasm, Kaus (naturally), The Week, LAist, DBKP, Roger L. Simon, Anorak, BlogPI, Wired, Conan O&#8217;Brien, and Jay Leno. And if you want to stay on top of our babbling about it, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Treacher</title>
		<link>http://www.blogpi.net/john-edwards-among-the-wikipedians#comment-141020</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Treacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I noticed they put the Rielle Hunter/Jay McInerney connection back in the entry for whichever book that was, once it was sourced to the HuffPo story. So, as much as I hate to admit it: It's not outside the realm of possibility that Beutler, in this particular case, is probably not altogether wrong.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed they put the Rielle Hunter/Jay McInerney connection back in the entry for whichever book that was, once it was sourced to the HuffPo story. So, as much as I hate to admit it: It&#8217;s not outside the realm of possibility that Beutler, in this particular case, is probably not altogether wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: William Beutler</title>
		<link>http://www.blogpi.net/john-edwards-among-the-wikipedians#comment-140983</link>
		<dc:creator>William Beutler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Patrick, that's not true. For one thing, Wikipedia manual of style would almost certainly forbid it. Second, the Enquirer would not be cited at all, as it is not in other articles dealing with stories the Enquirer broke first. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For example, here's a &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Larry_Craig&#38;oldid=155064382" rel="nofollow"&gt;version of the Larry Craig article&lt;/a&gt; from early September, just after Roll Call ran their story. It does receive prominent mention. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You're right about one thing, though -- anyone trying to remove it would have their changes reverted, because the story had basis in the public record and an established reliable source as well. However, if one had tried to add the Craig rumors to the article prior to publication, those edits would have been reverted.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, that&#8217;s not true. For one thing, Wikipedia manual of style would almost certainly forbid it. Second, the Enquirer would not be cited at all, as it is not in other articles dealing with stories the Enquirer broke first. </p>
<p>For example, here&#8217;s a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Larry_Craig&amp;oldid=155064382">version of the Larry Craig article</a> from early September, just after Roll Call ran their story. It does receive prominent mention. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right about one thing, though &#8212; anyone trying to remove it would have their changes reverted, because the story had basis in the public record and an established reliable source as well. However, if one had tried to add the Craig rumors to the article prior to publication, those edits would have been reverted.</p>
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		<title>By: John Edwards Love Child: Wikipedia Editor Defends Go-Slow Policies On Edwards Entry &#124; DBKP - The Worldwide Leader in Weird</title>
		<link>http://www.blogpi.net/john-edwards-among-the-wikipedians#comment-140979</link>
		<dc:creator>John Edwards Love Child: Wikipedia Editor Defends Go-Slow Policies On Edwards Entry &#124; DBKP - The Worldwide Leader in Weird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] William Beutler, an editor at Wikipedia, gives a cool, calm defense of Wikipedia editorial policies and how they affect the &#8220;John Edwards&#8221; entry in John Edwards Among the Wikipedians. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] William Beutler, an editor at Wikipedia, gives a cool, calm defense of Wikipedia editorial policies and how they affect the &#8220;John Edwards&#8221; entry in John Edwards Among the Wikipedians. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Ruffini</title>
		<link>http://www.blogpi.net/john-edwards-among-the-wikipedians#comment-140963</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Ruffini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If Edwards were a Republican, the National Enquirer scandal would be the first line of his Wikipedia entry, and anyone attempting to take it down would be immediately edited out.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Edwards were a Republican, the National Enquirer scandal would be the first line of his Wikipedia entry, and anyone attempting to take it down would be immediately edited out.</p>
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		<title>By: mondoreb</title>
		<link>http://www.blogpi.net/john-edwards-among-the-wikipedians#comment-140960</link>
		<dc:creator>mondoreb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;By far, the most valid point made here is that Wikipedia is not a news site. It has no deadline to meet when including updates to already-published information. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If this same strict standard is applied to all Wikipedia entries, then "What's the rush?" is a good defense to charges of editorial bias and selective foot-dragging. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It will be something for Wiki-watchers to look for in the future.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;All-in-all, a good defense of one side in a heated on-line debate.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By far, the most valid point made here is that Wikipedia is not a news site. It has no deadline to meet when including updates to already-published information. </p>
<p>If this same strict standard is applied to all Wikipedia entries, then &#8220;What&#8217;s the rush?&#8221; is a good defense to charges of editorial bias and selective foot-dragging. </p>
<p>It will be something for Wiki-watchers to look for in the future.</p>
<p>All-in-all, a good defense of one side in a heated on-line debate.</p>
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		<title>By: William Beutler</title>
		<link>http://www.blogpi.net/john-edwards-among-the-wikipedians#comment-140939</link>
		<dc:creator>William Beutler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If it's true, we have to wait for better confirmation. We don't know how big a deal it will be in his professional career just yet, and we can wait to find out. And the story is not being suppressed, it's just not clear how it should best be included. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Wikipedia rules sometimes appear to defy common sense, until one comprehends the site's values and thinks through the application of its often very detailed guidelines. Not everyone has time to do this, which leads to situations like this.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s true, we have to wait for better confirmation. We don&#8217;t know how big a deal it will be in his professional career just yet, and we can wait to find out. And the story is not being suppressed, it&#8217;s just not clear how it should best be included. </p>
<p>Wikipedia rules sometimes appear to defy common sense, until one comprehends the site&#8217;s values and thinks through the application of its often very detailed guidelines. Not everyone has time to do this, which leads to situations like this.</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad Bibby</title>
		<link>http://www.blogpi.net/john-edwards-among-the-wikipedians#comment-140938</link>
		<dc:creator>Conrad Bibby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I'm no expert on Wikipedia, but it seems to me the Enquirer story already constitutes a noteworthy event in Edwards' career because, whether or not the allegations are ultimately shown to be true, they have called into question Edwards' viability as a candidate for VP or AG.  Moreover, simply reporting the fact of the controversy doesn't create any risk of legal liability for Wikipedia as far as I can see, so that argument appears to be a red herring.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for comparisons to the Bush-is-drinking story, I don't see any similarity between the two situations.  Even if Bush has been sneaking a drink here and there (which is all the article was alleging), what would that really mean?  There is no indication he's been getting himself plastered or that he's in any way out of control.  Moreover, drinking isn't frowned upon in our culture.  Many presidents were casual drinkers and made no effort to hide the fact.  It may be an interesting biographical question whether Bush has allowed himself an occasional drink, the question appears to have no relevance to his public life.  In other words, even if it's true, it wouldn't be that big a story.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Edwards love child story is a different matter entirely.  If it's true (especially the stuff about the so-called "cover-up"), it's a very big deal in terms of his career in politics.  Moreover, there's enough circumstantial evidence to suggest it might be true.  And, again, even if the allegations are not true, the controversy over the existence of the stories is noteworthy in itself.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The only reason I can see to suppress the story would be to spare Edwards, Hunter, and their respective families a very small incremental degree of embarrassment.  (Realistically, who hasn't heard the story already?)  However, if Wikipedia wants to be a credible information site, it can't be in the business of tailoring the facts out of sympathy for the subjects of the articles it publishes.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m no expert on Wikipedia, but it seems to me the Enquirer story already constitutes a noteworthy event in Edwards&#8217; career because, whether or not the allegations are ultimately shown to be true, they have called into question Edwards&#8217; viability as a candidate for VP or AG.  Moreover, simply reporting the fact of the controversy doesn&#8217;t create any risk of legal liability for Wikipedia as far as I can see, so that argument appears to be a red herring.  </p>
<p>As for comparisons to the Bush-is-drinking story, I don&#8217;t see any similarity between the two situations.  Even if Bush has been sneaking a drink here and there (which is all the article was alleging), what would that really mean?  There is no indication he&#8217;s been getting himself plastered or that he&#8217;s in any way out of control.  Moreover, drinking isn&#8217;t frowned upon in our culture.  Many presidents were casual drinkers and made no effort to hide the fact.  It may be an interesting biographical question whether Bush has allowed himself an occasional drink, the question appears to have no relevance to his public life.  In other words, even if it&#8217;s true, it wouldn&#8217;t be that big a story.  </p>
<p>The Edwards love child story is a different matter entirely.  If it&#8217;s true (especially the stuff about the so-called &#8220;cover-up&#8221;), it&#8217;s a very big deal in terms of his career in politics.  Moreover, there&#8217;s enough circumstantial evidence to suggest it might be true.  And, again, even if the allegations are not true, the controversy over the existence of the stories is noteworthy in itself.  </p>
<p>The only reason I can see to suppress the story would be to spare Edwards, Hunter, and their respective families a very small incremental degree of embarrassment.  (Realistically, who hasn&#8217;t heard the story already?)  However, if Wikipedia wants to be a credible information site, it can&#8217;t be in the business of tailoring the facts out of sympathy for the subjects of the articles it publishes.</p>
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