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Matt Stoller Fails to Consolidate the Netroots

[Note: It's been awhile since we've heard from Not Paul Begala, but he's back today, for at least one more post.]

Matt Stoller, on Edwards’ departure from the race:

It’s entirely unclear who the Edwards voters are going to turn to, but we do know that Clinton picked up no activist support in the blogosphere. Obama has fully consolidated the netroots, from last month when there was a split with Edwards. I expect to see internal pressure from heavily creative class dominated institutions who emerged from 1998-2006 to move into Obama’s camp.

To paraphrase Dan Akroyd: Stoller, you ignorant slut. Or at least, you misreader of Internet polls. While dKos straw polls have consistently shown big leads for Edwards and Obama, with shifts to Dodd and Richardson, the full survey results of MoveOn.org — a measure the netroots once used to figure out what blog readers looked like — was always very different, showing stronger support for Clinton and Kucinich, but not Dodd and Richardson.

MoveOn December 2007 poll

Stoller of all people should know, you can’t use a straw poll on one blog to claim the collective wisdom of the netroots. And it’s become all but tradition for the first comment on a Stoller post to call him out:

What does this mean?

“heavily creative class dominated institutions who emerged from 1998-2006 to move into Obama’s camp.

Sheesh, can you be more obtuse? Also, re-read your post. There was no split with Edwards, better re-write to be clear. That doesn’t mean Obama has “consolidated” the netroots at all. Let’s see what Edwards does re. an endorsement. Right now, he’s seeing how the two move forward on his issues. Clinton is better on health care than Obama, frankly.

This is hardly worth posting unless you are going to make a clear argument that we can discuss.

Epic fail.

Update: Yep. Hillary Clinton got nearly 30% support in MoveOn’s head-to-head poll, and just 11% from Daily Kos. They both favor Obama, but their memberships have different mindsets.

♥-ing Huckabee, Since 2005

The surprise of the Ames straw poll was Mike Huckabee’s strong second place finish, and if there’s anyone out there celebrating as much as his campaign staff, it’s the anonymous individual(s) behind the long-running, unambiguously titled campaign blog, Mike Huckabee President 2008:

Mike Huckabee President 2008 Screen Cap

The blog bills itself as

THE FIRST UNOFFICIAL HUCKABEE FOR PRESIDENT CAMPAIGN BLOG FOUNDED FEB. 14,2005

but I think that might be underselling it. I’m pretty sure Mike Huckabee President 2008 was the first unofficial 2008 blog for any candidate, period — launched February 14, 2005.

Compare to Evangelicals for Mitt, which launched in June 2006. That was before Romney was actively running, but still more than a year after MHP2008 got its start. Mark Coffey at Decision ‘08 actually launched in November 2004, which is about as far back as you can push it (his tagline until recently: “Because it’s never too early”) but he’s an observer, not an advocate.

I’m sure if you looked hard, you could find blog-carcasses strewn alongside the information superhighway. A quick Google search turned up Grassroots for Gore, launched in May 2005 and abandoned about a year later.

It takes some confidence — to say nothing of stamina — to start backing a candidate three years before the Iowa caucuses. Not only do you have to be reasonably sure your candidate will actually run, but you’ve got to stay interested as the months and years drag on.

Congratulations, Mike Huckabee President 2008. I look forward to reading Mike Huckabee President 2016.

P.S. Primary disclosure: I’m with Fred. Secondary disclosure: If you’re reading this on Firefox for Mac, the heart symbol isn’t going to show up, and I haven’t the slightest idea why not.

Attention Ron Paul Supporters: Patrick Ruffini is Not Your Friend!

Ron Paul’s fan base shares something thing in common with supporters of previous long shot candidates: a starry-eyed belief that their candidate is just on the brink of breaking through into the popular consciousness, ready to make the leap to becoming a contender.

Thanks to ornery Texans like Ross Perot and anti-war doctors like Howard Dean, I can see why Paul’s supporters might think he has a chance. And nobody’s been feeding that perception more than Patrick Ruffini.

As he wrote about you in late August:

Ron Paul Will Place Second at Ames … You heard it here first.

Last night, after the results came in, it was:

Also, Ron Paul finished fifth.

And it’s not the first time he’s burned you like this. On the first of July, he wrote:

My surprise prediction on the Republican side: Ron Paul will raise at least $4 million.

But later that week it was:

Ron Paul’s Fundraising Disappoints

Sorry, Paulbots — Ruffini isn’t doing you any favors. His projections might have made you feel good over the past month or so, but the hangover is worse. Heck, last night Paul finished behind Tancredo — with Tommy Thompson nipping at his heels. What happened? Maybe your enthusiasm raised expectations a little too much, and maybe Ruffini helped set those expectations among Washington insiders.

As for Ruffini, hey, he’s just making the kind of bold predictions that Beltway pundits love: You’re a genius if you’re right, and no one remembers if you’re wrong. The problem for you Paul supporters is that he’s been doing it at your expense.

Of course, I’m not your friend either (disclosure), so make of this what you will.

Accept No Substitutes?

Having recently praised the GOP Bloggers/Matt Margolis online poll and more recently criticized the intense-if-undersized group of Ron Paul supporters — proving well enough that activists can imitate astroturfers, even if they’re more legitimate manipulators — an update is warranted.

So while it’s nothing like guessing Time’s Person of the Year, my expectation has born out that, upon Ron Paul’s first inclusion in the GOP Bloggers Straw Poll, this would count as another online victory for the Ronbots:

Ron Paul wins GOP Bloggers straw poll

Let us not take that poll result seriously. Rather, let us find out a bit about the people who produced that result.

Don’t forget, the GOP Bloggers poll includes a few useful crosstabs, and we horse-race journo junkies thrive on crosstabs. Most importantly, each poll participant is asked first to rate their favored candidate and then to record who else from the field would be acceptable nominees if their man fell short. Neither major party is about to go for Instant Runoff Voting, but the same concept shapes the invisible primary, and this poll gives insight into that thought process.

So let’s compare the Ron Paul Machine against the online proponents of Mitt Romney and John McCain, the two candidates racing to catch up with Giuliani, a feat Paul’s supporters contend is not an impossibility for their elderly Texas goldbug with an M.D. We will count supporters of Giuliani, F. Thompson and Gingrich as well, just because.

First up, acceptablity ratings for supporters of the candidate whose alleged “bots” are most often compared to Paul’s:

GOP Bloggers first choice: Romney

Romney’s supporters find Paul most unacceptable — putting them firmly in the mainstream camp — and however unenthusiastically, could accept F. Thompson and to a lesser degree, Huckabee (!) and Hunter (!!). With Giuliani and Gingrich it’s nearly even.

Next, the only other anti-anti-anti-torture Republican:

GOP Bloggers first choice: McCain

McCain supporters find Giuliani and F. Thompson acceptable. Paul is not the least-favored candidate; Tancredo and Gilmore are. Tancredo makes sense on the level of issues — they are surely on opposite sides of the current immigration debate. As for Gilmore, well, perhaps of those tagged “Rudy McRomney,” it’s the “Mc” fans who may have taken the greatest offense.

And here is Paul’s ostensible nemesis, the guy whose base yours all belongs to, whose moderate (and even libertarian) backers are probably in ur base killing your doodz right this very minute:

GOP Bloggers first choice: Giuliani

Giuliani supporters find the most candidates acceptable*, taking extreme exceptions only to Paul, T. Thompson and comparatively so to McCain, while ranking F. Thompson and Romney as highly acceptable. That Giuliani supporters are rating Paul lowest is rather dog-bites-man, but worth pointing out.

The man who isn’t (yet) there:

GOP Bloggers first choice: Fred Thompson

*Among delcared candidates, that is. Thompson supporters, so far, actually rate the most candidates acceptable: six vs. five. Only Paul and McCain earn their sincere disregard; T. Thompson, Gilmore and Brownback, as usual, can take a hike.

Now, let’s give Gingrich his due, because otherwise it would be Duncan Hunter, and even though Hunter is declared where Gingrich is not, Gingrich increasingly says he will announce (which would prove this prediction wrong) — and ultimately, Gingrich’s name ID with GOP primary voters would turn Romney green (let alone Duncan Hunter):

GOP Bloggers first choice: Gingrich

Gingrich supporters neatly line up with F. Thompson backers, both showing telltale signs of the “almost anyone else will do” sentiment, and approving of precisely the same candidates. Sounds to me like their supporters’ combined votes are a good representation of engaged but uncommitted online GOP Internet users.

Now, without the Beltway media and MSM churning, I wouldn’t have even included McCain: his fans number less than 100 (at the time of publication) out of nearly 11K recorded. While Paul, F. Thompson and Romney have appear to have formidable online bases, and Giuliani and Gingrich have their fans, the rest received too few votes to count in this post. Apologies again to Hunter and to Huckabee fans, who at least were not beaten by “(none).”

Still, the most interesting finding of all (besides FDT’s across-the-board acceptability) is this:

GOP Bloggers first choice: Paul

Perhaps unsurprisingly, Ron Paul supporters like nobody less than Giuliani — for whom most observers called that debate based on his response to Paul’s “blowback” comments, even as the Ronbots contended that the very same exchange proved Ron Paul the obvious winner.

Unlike supporters of the realistic (and popular, arguably faddish and maybe unrealistic) candidates, Ron Paul supporters apparently would not vote for any other GOP candidate in the Republican primary — though intriguingly, a minority would consider Tancredo.

I submit this as fair evidence that Ron Paul’s online base of support is not drawn from actual Republican party primary voters. Activists for every other candidate have their fallbacks, nemeses and frenemies, but no other group is so far outside the mainstream as the activists for Ron Paul.

Maybe Ron Paul is the GOP vanguard. More likely, his support measures something besides the current Republican mood.

Turkey in the Straw Poll

I really like it when the top bloggers do straw polls. It’s good water cooler conversation, they happen often so you can measure changes, and the MyDD polls have some cool rankings that allow voters to choose first and second preferences.

Straw polls can also be a good measure of organization and activist support — look at how Romney and McCain are constantly trying to outdo each other.

But what I don’t like is that the online straw polls on the progressive/netroots sites always come as a surprise.

I wonder if Kos announced that he was going to do a straw poll in a week, would any of the presidential candidates whip for it? Send out a blast to their lists? Might that also increase the number of participants?