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		<title>By: PoliticalChase</title>
		<link>http://www.blogpi.net/bloggers-for-sale/comment-page-1#comment-6944</link>
		<dc:creator>PoliticalChase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 05:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I disagree with your statement, &quot;The only blogger explicitly criticized is Hynes, a Republican, yet most of the outcry comes from the left. Why? Guilt by association.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The problem is Glover&#039;s implication of impropriety accompanied by stereotyping, and quite frankly you are doing the same.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If Glover has a problem with publishers&#039; revenue being generated from political sources, then he need look no further than the mirror. The National Journal is not Sports Illustrated.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Furthermore, what was his point to begin with? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For a more detailed response go to:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.thepoliticalchase.com/journal/2006/12/3/nyt-and-the-national-journal-attack-bloggers.html&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with your statement, &#8220;The only blogger explicitly criticized is Hynes, a Republican, yet most of the outcry comes from the left. Why? Guilt by association.&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem is Glover&#8217;s implication of impropriety accompanied by stereotyping, and quite frankly you are doing the same.</p>
<p>If Glover has a problem with publishers&#8217; revenue being generated from political sources, then he need look no further than the mirror. The National Journal is not Sports Illustrated.</p>
<p>Furthermore, what was his point to begin with? </p>
<p>For a more detailed response go to:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thepoliticalchase.com/journal/2006/12/3/nyt-and-the-national-journal-attack-bloggers.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thepoliticalchase.com/journal/2006/12/3/nyt-and-the-national-journal-attack-bloggers.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Essl</title>
		<link>http://www.blogpi.net/bloggers-for-sale/comment-page-1#comment-6938</link>
		<dc:creator>Essl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 04:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I believe the style for the &quot;Op-Chart&quot; is to list the designer and the writer under the same umbrella. I agree that it&#039;s a bit strange. Although I&#039;ve never been called sleazy or an assclown before so I&#039;m happy to have been involved!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the style for the &#8220;Op-Chart&#8221; is to list the designer and the writer under the same umbrella. I agree that it&#8217;s a bit strange. Although I&#8217;ve never been called sleazy or an assclown before so I&#8217;m happy to have been involved!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Treacher</title>
		<link>http://www.blogpi.net/bloggers-for-sale/comment-page-1#comment-6936</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Treacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 03:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Conservatives who weighed in had a similar reaction, though they took it less personally.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You should assign this phrase to a hotkey.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Conservatives who weighed in had a similar reaction, though they took it less personally.&#8221;</p>
<p>You should assign this phrase to a hotkey.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Shields</title>
		<link>http://www.blogpi.net/bloggers-for-sale/comment-page-1#comment-6928</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 02:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Come on, Danny.  The &#039;outrage&#039; (in my case, it was more irritation) came directly from the fact that, while you list our names, websites, payments (mostly inaccurate, as I understand it), candidates, and quotes, you failed to also include the ways in which we did or did not disclose our arrangements.  That&#039;s a glaring omission.  I can&#039;t believe that you seriously wonder whether or not &quot;keeping that part of the chart would have mattered.&quot;  It most certainly would have.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on, Danny.  The &#8216;outrage&#8217; (in my case, it was more irritation) came directly from the fact that, while you list our names, websites, payments (mostly inaccurate, as I understand it), candidates, and quotes, you failed to also include the ways in which we did or did not disclose our arrangements.  That&#8217;s a glaring omission.  I can&#8217;t believe that you seriously wonder whether or not &#8220;keeping that part of the chart would have mattered.&#8221;  It most certainly would have.</p>
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		<title>By: reader_iam</title>
		<link>http://www.blogpi.net/bloggers-for-sale/comment-page-1#comment-6927</link>
		<dc:creator>reader_iam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 02:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the link to Done With Mirrors.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I should have explained it, but the \&quot;citizenjournalism\&quot; was written that way on purpose. That\&#039;s how I refer to it using a particular and skeptical tone, in specific contexts, when talking in real life about the whole idea in terms of some sort of mass movement that\&#039;s supposed to replace traditional journalism. Call it a silly little quirk, if you will--but absolutely in keeping with my personal sense of blogging &lt;i&gt;as it applies to me, in particular&lt;/i&gt;: It\&#039;s talking, spouting off, thinking aloud--whatever, much like what I do in conversation in real life. Journalism it ain\&#039;t!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;[Editor\&#039;s note: The [sic] has been removed. And these stupid backslashes in front of each apostrophe are apparently some kind of idiotic bug in WordPress that serve only to let readers know a comment has been updated, a fact I\&#039;ve already addressed. If anyone knows of a plugin that will fix this, please let me know.]&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link to Done With Mirrors.</p>
<p>I should have explained it, but the \&#8221;citizenjournalism\&#8221; was written that way on purpose. That\&#8217;s how I refer to it using a particular and skeptical tone, in specific contexts, when talking in real life about the whole idea in terms of some sort of mass movement that\&#8217;s supposed to replace traditional journalism. Call it a silly little quirk, if you will&#8211;but absolutely in keeping with my personal sense of blogging <i>as it applies to me, in particular</i>: It\&#8217;s talking, spouting off, thinking aloud&#8211;whatever, much like what I do in conversation in real life. Journalism it ain\&#8217;t!</p>
<p><em>[Editor\'s note: The [sic] has been removed. And these stupid backslashes in front of each apostrophe are apparently some kind of idiotic bug in WordPress that serve only to let readers know a comment has been updated, a fact I\&#8217;ve already addressed. If anyone knows of a plugin that will fix this, please let me know.]</em></p>
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		<title>By: Daniel W. Drezner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel W. Drezner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 01:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;We&#039;ve got blog, blog, blog, blog, blog, blog, spam, and blog...&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So I see that the second-most interesting article about blogs in the New York Times today got a lot of attention. That would be K. Daniel Glober&#039;s op-ed on the increased linkages between bloggers and political candidates: The Netroots. People......&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>We&#8217;ve got blog, blog, blog, blog, blog, blog, spam, and blog&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>So I see that the second-most interesting article about blogs in the New York Times today got a lot of attention. That would be K. Daniel Glober&#8217;s op-ed on the increased linkages between bloggers and political candidates: The Netroots. People&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Glover</title>
		<link>http://www.blogpi.net/bloggers-for-sale/comment-page-1#comment-6923</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Glover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 01:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Bill,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Essl had nothing to do with the article other than to draw the graphic. Frankly, I was surprised to see a double byline on the piece.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The editor never mentioned that the piece would have a double byline in all of the e-mails we exchanged, and as an editor who deals with double bylines, &quot;contributed to this article taglines, etc., I don&#039;t think it was appropriate in this instance. Maybe I&#039;m crazy for saying that considering the reaction by some bloggers today because that puts more of the burden on me, but there you have it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;All of the information, including the quotes by the bloggers, was provided by me. The version I sent to the Times included links (though I believed they would only be used for fact-checking, just because that&#039;s the way it works in print journalism).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I seriously doubt having included them would have changed the minds of any of my knee-jerk critics. One thing that might have helped would have been more information on the issue of disclosure. The chart initially was going to have a chart that listed the various ways that the bloggers disclosed their ties. But as I told Micah Sifry at Personal Democracy Forum, we dropped that section and instead went with the general sentence with just the one named example.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not convinced that keeping that part of the chart would have mattered in terms of sparing me the outrage, but maybe.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Danny&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bill,</p>
<p>Essl had nothing to do with the article other than to draw the graphic. Frankly, I was surprised to see a double byline on the piece.</p>
<p>The editor never mentioned that the piece would have a double byline in all of the e-mails we exchanged, and as an editor who deals with double bylines, &#8220;contributed to this article taglines, etc., I don&#8217;t think it was appropriate in this instance. Maybe I&#8217;m crazy for saying that considering the reaction by some bloggers today because that puts more of the burden on me, but there you have it.</p>
<p>All of the information, including the quotes by the bloggers, was provided by me. The version I sent to the Times included links (though I believed they would only be used for fact-checking, just because that&#8217;s the way it works in print journalism).</p>
<p>I seriously doubt having included them would have changed the minds of any of my knee-jerk critics. One thing that might have helped would have been more information on the issue of disclosure. The chart initially was going to have a chart that listed the various ways that the bloggers disclosed their ties. But as I told Micah Sifry at Personal Democracy Forum, we dropped that section and instead went with the general sentence with just the one named example.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not convinced that keeping that part of the chart would have mattered in terms of sparing me the outrage, but maybe.</p>
<p>Danny</p>
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